Wednesday, November 16, 2005

'bout effing time, too

Way to go, Dick. Hit 'em in the mouth. It's about fucking time they started fighting back.
The bit about throwing their words back at them? Dig it. Dig it so hard.    


UPDATE: Great discussion in the comments. I want to make some points of my own, though.
1.) The original point of this post was to demonstrate that, contrary to MG’s assertion, the case for war was not made of sand. In terms of WMD, every major intelligence agency in the Western world believed Saddam had WMD programs and stockpiles. Many still do. Also, as you see from that video link, so did many of today’s most vocal critics who charge that Bush lied.
2. ) I’m wondering how Bush misled the country, but not on purpose? Was someone else leading Bush (shut up, Rochester, it wasn’t the Jews)? Or was Bush earnest in his beliefs, which just turned out to be not backed up by facts on the ground?
3.)  One of the big problems I have with anti-war folks’ discourse is that I seriously doubt that even if a nuclear weapon was found in Iraq would they come around and say, “Wow. Maybe Bush was right.” MG charges, perhaps fairly, that nobody from the Bush administration has come forward to say, “My bad.” Can you blame them, when the critics are playing as unfairly as they are now? Plus, does it matter to anyone that we actually did find chemical weapons in Iraq? As to whether or not that “counts,” I’d advise you to read this Hitchens piece about how much Clintonesque parsing of language it takes to keep on the “Bush Lied” trolly. Which, that might not be a problem for Mike.
4.)  As to what would constitute a failure for pro-war supporters: I think MG is largely right about his point 3. I’m not sure how the other three points relate to Iraq, though. As for me, I think failure would come in the form of Iraq’s democracy not succeeding. I don’t expect it to turn into Vermont or anything, but regular elections and a peaceful transfer of power once US troops leave would be a huge success. Plus, if we don’t find the weapons that Saddam moved to Syria, that might not be so great, either.

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